{"id":299,"date":"2021-11-22T18:16:03","date_gmt":"2021-11-23T01:16:03","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/dahlemdefence.com\/news\/?p=299"},"modified":"2022-02-18T15:25:08","modified_gmt":"2022-02-18T22:25:08","slug":"counselling-to-commit-an-offence","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/dahlemdefence.com\/news\/2021\/11\/22\/counselling-to-commit-an-offence\/","title":{"rendered":"Counselling to Commit an Offence"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<h2 class=\"has-palette-color-4-color has-text-color wp-block-heading\" id=\"arson-pipelines-and-protest\">Arson, Pipelines, and Protest<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-4-color has-text-color\">David Suzuki was quoted in the National Post today with a warning that \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/nationalpost.com\/news\/canada\/pipelines-will-be-blown-up-says-david-suzuki-if-leaders-dont-act-on-climate-change\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">pipelines will be blown up<\/a>\u201d if political leaders don\u2019t do something about climate change.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-4-color has-text-color\">This follows an article in the Guardian on Nov. 18, in which Andreas Malm set the \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/commentisfree\/2021\/nov\/18\/moral-case-destroying-fossil-fuel-infrastructure\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">moral case for destroying fossil fuel infrastructure<\/a>\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped wp-block-gallery-1 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"753\" data-id=\"302\" src=\"https:\/\/dahlemdefence.com\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/11\/Guardian-NOv.-18-2021-destroying-fossil-fuel-infrastructure-1024x753.png\" alt=\"The moral case for destroying fossil fuel infrastructure article screenshot\" class=\"wp-image-302\" srcset=\"https:\/\/dahlemdefence.com\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/11\/Guardian-NOv.-18-2021-destroying-fossil-fuel-infrastructure-1024x753.png 1024w, https:\/\/dahlemdefence.com\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/11\/Guardian-NOv.-18-2021-destroying-fossil-fuel-infrastructure-300x221.png 300w, https:\/\/dahlemdefence.com\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/11\/Guardian-NOv.-18-2021-destroying-fossil-fuel-infrastructure-768x565.png 768w, https:\/\/dahlemdefence.com\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/11\/Guardian-NOv.-18-2021-destroying-fossil-fuel-infrastructure.png 1310w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/nationalpost.com\/news\/canada\/pipelines-will-be-blown-up-says-david-suzuki-if-leaders-dont-act-on-climate-change\" data-type=\"URL\" data-id=\"https:\/\/nationalpost.com\/news\/canada\/pipelines-will-be-blown-up-says-david-suzuki-if-leaders-dont-act-on-climate-change\">https:\/\/nationalpost.com\/news\/canada\/pipelines-will-be-blown-up-says-david-suzuki-if-leaders-dont-act-on-climate-change<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/commentisfree\/2021\/nov\/18\/moral-case-destroying-fossil-fuel-infrastructure\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/commentisfree\/2021\/nov\/18\/moral-case-destroying-fossil-fuel-infrastructure<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"public-debate-and-calls-for-violence\">Public Debate and Calls for Violence<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>I am all for public debate and the exchange of ideas. I don\u2019t think that Mr. Suzuki committed a criminal offence here. However, at what point does a \u201cwarning\u201d turn into a threat, veiled or not?&nbsp; This is the sort of thing mobsters did for protection money\u2014\u201cNice little store you\u2019ve got here\u2026 It be would a shame if someone would come burn it down. I can offer you protection from such things.\u201d &nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Mr. Malm may have actually counselled the commission of the offence of arson. He writes:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p><em>So what do we do?<\/em><\/p><p><em>We could destroy the machines that destroy this planet. If someone has planted a time bomb in your home, you are entitled to dismantle it. More to the point, if someone has placed an incendiary device inside the high-rise building where you live, and if the foundations are already on fire and people are dying in the cellars, then many would believe that you have an obligation to put the device out of action.  <\/em><\/p><p><em>This is the moral case which, I would argue, justifies destroying fossil fuel property. That is completely separate from harming human bodies, for which there is no moral case.<\/em><\/p><cite><em>The Guardian, Nov. 18, 2021<\/em><\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>Both of these articles are close to being criminal offences in Canada, with Mr. Malm likely having crossed the line.&nbsp;Section 22 of the Criminal Code states:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p><em><strong>Person counselling offence<\/strong><\/em><\/p><p><em>22 (1) Where a person counsels another person to be a party to an offence and that other person is afterwards a party to that offence, the person who counselled is a party to that offence, notwithstanding that the offence was committed in a way different from that which was counselled.<\/em><\/p><p><em><strong>Idem<\/strong><\/em><\/p><p><em>(2) Every one who counsels another person to be a party to an offence is a party to every offence that the other commits in consequence of the counselling that the person who counselled knew or ought to have known was likely to be committed in consequence of the counselling.<\/em><\/p><p><em><strong>Definition of \u201ccounsel\u201d<\/strong><\/em><\/p><p><em>(3) For the purposes of this Act,&nbsp;<strong>&#8220;counsel&#8221;<\/strong>&nbsp;includes procure, solicit or incite.<\/em><\/p><cite>R.S.,&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/criminalnotebook.ca\/index.php\/List_of_Criminal_Code_Amendments_(1984_to_1999)\">1985, c. C-46<\/a>, s. 22; R.S.,&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/criminalnotebook.ca\/index.php\/List_of_Criminal_Code_Amendments_(1984_to_1999)\">1985, c. 27 (1st Supp.)<\/a>, s. 7.<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-4-color has-text-color\">The Supreme Court of Canada considered counselling the commit an offence in R. v. Hamilton, 2005 SCC 47 (<a href=\"https:\/\/canlii.ca\/t\/1l86s\">https:\/\/canlii.ca\/t\/1l86s)<\/a> and spelled out the mental element and the actions required to commit the offence.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-4-color has-text-color\">Simply put, if a writer or public figure, or anyone really, counsels or persuades or induces the commission of a criminal offence, then that person is a party to the offence and also guilty of that offence.&nbsp;So, for example, if you counsel the \u201cblowing up of a pipeline\u201d and then someone goes and blows up a pipeline as a result of you counselling blowing up a pipeline, and you were trying to get a pipeline blown up or were reckless about the risk that it would happen, then you are also guilty of blowing up a pipeline.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-4-color has-text-color\">Blowing up a pipeline is arson, in s.434 of the Criminal Code, and carries a maximum sentence of 14 years in prison. If someone dies in the arson, then it\u2019s murder, notwithstanding you didn\u2019t intend to kill anybody, and then it is life imprisonment.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-4-color has-text-color\">Oil wells, refineries, pipelines, and most hydrocarbon installations are full of explosive and flammable liquids and gases under high temperatures and pressures. &#8220;Blowing up a pipeline&#8221; is not some trivial exercise in protest. This sort of thing can cause millions or billions of dollars of damage, immense human suffering, deaths, and large hydrocarbon spills.  I thought those were supposed to be bad. By Mr. Malm&#8217;s logic, the 800 oil wells dynamited in Kuwait by the retreating Iraqi army in 1991 were an incredibly wonderful blow struck for the climate, rather than an environmental catastrophe that looked like this:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/dahlemdefence.com\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/11\/Kuwait-oil-fires.jpg\" alt=\"1991 Kuwait oil wells burning\" class=\"wp-image-303\" width=\"296\" height=\"170\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-palette-color-4-color has-text-color\">Reckless and loose talk of violence is always dangerous\u2014you never know who it might \u201cinspire\u201d.&nbsp;The 21<sup>st<\/sup> and 20<sup>th<\/sup> centuries have been distressingly full of violent nut jobs who thought they were not subject to the law or to basic decency.&nbsp;Violence should never be encouraged.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-post-date has-text-color has-palette-color-4-color\"><time datetime=\"2021-11-22T18:16:03-07:00\">November 22, 2021<\/time><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Did David Suzuki commit a crime under s.22 of the Criminal Code of counselling to commit the offence of arson by &#8220;warning&#8221; 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